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[ReelBigCohen]

Shouldn't we be excited for the start of the tour?!?!?!? I'm stoked… July 23rd Orlando for me!!!

[Sonic Libido]

3 DAYS!

[Desensitized]

I'm not excited.

[The Wind]

Nope. I forgot.

[Reel Big Chris]

Honestly, I don't really get pumped to see them live anymore. You've seen one show you've seen them all. They didn't even switch shit up for the new dvd.

[The Wind]

Here we go agaiiiiiiiin!

The last time I saw them, I could tell they couldn't wait to get off the stage. I'm out of town for when they'll be playing, but I probably still would not have ended up going.

Who are they playing with?

[ReelBigCohen]

you all just bummed me out. O.o

[ReelBigCohen]

you all just bummed me out. O.o

[Sonic Libido]

dude, it's RBF with the beat and the supervillains….. I don't care what anyone else thinks, that sounds like an awesome fucking show to me.

sidenote: "MASSIVE" by the supervillains is a fucking awesome record.

[Reel Big Chris]

Meh, I'll still probably go because the novelty hasn't worn off for Eric. If they would play a better setlist with some more/better breakdowns and maybe an instrumental or two, I'd be pumped all over again. But right now I'm sure I could tell you almost the entire setlist, and probably pretty close to the order they'll play it. I still have to go to support them and buy their shit.

[Jeanie]

I haven't been in so long, I think it still might be exciting!

[Desensitized]

Yeah, they need to revamp their live set. It's become too predictable, and it's gotta be boring to play the same thing in the same basic order every night.

[The Wind]

BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER!

[madamadam]

I was under the impression that there would be sex in this thread.

[Sonic Libido]

interesting note:

last night I saw RBF live and before the last song Aaron and scott said "we're going to play what ever this guy wants to hear" to a guy in the audience to which the dumb fuck replied "Sell Out"

Aaron then said "really? I would have picked something cool like [i]Sayanora Senorita[/i] but it's good you picked [i]Sell Out[/i] because it was next on the list anyway… thanks for not deviating…. I've got shit to do tonight"

bottom line: I think RBF are trying to change up the sets but are afraid that most concert goers won't be keen… the sad thing is, they're probably right.

[Reel Big Chris]

Seriously, fuck the fans. RBF fans have to be some of the stupidest, shittiest people ever. They're the reason I hate going to their shows. If RBF played something we'd want to hear, the "fans" wouldn't get it. I'd be pumped to hear them play anything aside from what I've been hearing for the past five years. Goddamnit.

[Desensitized]

I want to punch that asshole in the vagina.

I'd do anything to hear Sayonara Senorita live.

[The Wind]

Chances of more than three band members actually knowing how to play that song? Hell, more than two, since somebody probably forgot.

They were going to play Sell Out at that time, anyway. They're just being cute.

[Skanking Harry]

last time i saw the fish was like nearly 2 years ago

i was actually pretty bored during their set

[madamadam]

If I was that guy I'd call Aaron's bluff and ask for 241.

[The Wind]

That's a horse of a different colour. They'd need another trombone for that baby.

[Reel Big Chris]

Why can't they just get another trombone? I'd love to see a full horn section again.

[The Wind]

Cheap bastards!

[BanTheTubeSocks]

I've seen them play "241" with just one trombone back in 2005.

Also, set list from last night (the order in the middle is a little muddled):

Take on Me
New Version of You
The Fire
Somebody Hates Me
Ban The Tube Top
Everything Sucks
Veronica Sawyer
She Has A Girlfriend Now
The Kids Don't Like It
Snoop Dog, Baby
Brown Eyed Girl
I'm Her Man
Good Thing
Your Guts
You Don't Know
Nothin' But A Good Time
Where Have You Been?
Beer
—
Another F.U. Song
Rock You Like A Hurricane/Enter Sandman/Sell Out

The English Beat played a headline-length set including Save It For Later, Twist and Crawl, Where is the Tenderness, and covers of I'll Take You There and Tears of a Clown.

It would be nice if RBF varied their set a little more, but the show was very far from boring–they played a handful of different songs from the last time they came around, two covers I'd never seen them play live (though it would have been cooler to hear newer original songs). And most importantly–look, they're not going to come out and play Cannibal, The Joke's On Me, Will The Revolution Come, Victory Over Peter Bones and so on and so forth–so, considering that, if you just dance around and sing along, you stand a very good chance of enjoying yourself. I certainly did. It was a blast!

[Skanking Harry]

did the beat play mirror in the bathroom and rankin' full stop?

[BanTheTubeSocks]

They played Mirror in the Bathroom–not sure about the other song–they played for more than an hour, and I hadn't heard most of the songs before. But they were very entertaining.

[Desensitized]

Two Swords is my favorite EB song. So they probably won't play it. :p

[CannonBall]

[quote1247300618=BanTheTubeSocks]
I've seen them play "241" with just one trombone back in 2005.

Also, set list from last night (the order in the middle is a little muddled):

Take on Me
New Version of You
The Fire
Somebody Hates Me
Ban The Tube Top
Everything Sucks
Veronica Sawyer
She Has A Girlfriend Now
The Kids Don't Like It
Snoop Dog, Baby
Brown Eyed Girl
I'm Her Man
Good Thing
Your Guts
You Don't Know
Nothin' But A Good Time
Where Have You Been?
Beer
—
Another F.U. Song
Rock You Like A Hurricane/Enter Sandman/Sell Out

[/quote1247300618]

So is this like the Offical DVD tour where they play the exact set from the DVD? How is the new bass player on tour? Man, I don't even care enough about this band anymore to learn the new members names.

It's not that I intentionally don't like them anymore, they just totally fucking let me down big time. Total disappointment, fuck you RBF!!! They should have broken up before they became washed up.

[BanTheTubeSocks]

[quote1247319583=CannonBall]
[quote1247300618=BanTheTubeSocks]
I've seen them play "241" with just one trombone back in 2005.

Also, set list from last night (the order in the middle is a little muddled):

Take on Me
New Version of You
The Fire
Somebody Hates Me
Ban The Tube Top
Everything Sucks
Veronica Sawyer
She Has A Girlfriend Now
The Kids Don't Like It
Snoop Dog, Baby
Brown Eyed Girl
I'm Her Man
Good Thing
Your Guts
You Don't Know
Nothin' But A Good Time
Where Have You Been?
Beer
—
Another F.U. Song
Rock You Like A Hurricane/Enter Sandman/Sell Out

[/quote1247300618]

So is this like the Offical DVD tour where they play the exact set from the DVD? How is the new bass player on tour? Man, I don't even care enough about this band anymore to learn the new members names.

It's not that I intentionally don't like them anymore, they just totally fucking let me down big time. Total disappointment, fuck you RBF!!! They should have broken up before they became washed up.

[/quote1247319583]

Derek was good. He actually did a pretty neat bass solo during "You Don't Know."

As far as the disappointment, it's possible you've grown out of the band, or you're not satisfied with what they play live, but the negativity on this board is a little extreme. Reel Big Fish is not exactly the Dave Matthews Band as far as varying what they play or how they play it, but I've seen bands who will go out on a tour and literally play the exact same songs in the exact same order every night. RBF doesn't do that, and they're also so much fun, it's ridiculous–look around the crowd at all those smiling faces! It's great.

This isn't to argue, because your opinion is as relevant as mine or anyone else's–after all, we're just talking about whether or not we like a band's show–but there's no need to call them washed up or ask for them to retire just because you're not thrilled with their current set. I know what it's like to feel personally let down by a band–I used to feel that way sometimes when I was younger, particularly with Weezer–but now it's much easier to appreciate bands for their individual talents and what they have to offer instead of lamenting what they don't do. Reel Big Fish's eventual retirement will be a big loss for ska music, and I, for one, enjoy seeing them every summer.

[LyinAss Bitch]

^^^Thank you for basically stating how I feel. I decided to quit defending how I feel, because whiners will whine no matter what.

I think RBF ( to me) is a really great band. I take breaks from their music like a do with all the other bands I listen to, but they are definitely in my top 3 favorites and it's unfortunate that sooo many other people are sooooo distraught over not getting exactly what they want from this band. I've been listening to them since high school (which was a loooong time ago), and I am still more than satisfied and happy to go to their shows and just enjoy myself. If I don't have a good time, it's always because of all the leaf eaters in the crowd, spoiling my view 😀

[Desensitized]

It's hard to grow out of band that hasn't made a 'real' album in almost 4 years.

Again, all I want is quality. I couldn't give a shit if it's a song about blowjobs as long as it was written well. Green Day wrote an excellent song about jerking off and the Descendents made a great song about shitting. Thing is, they had songwriting on their side. 🙂

[LyinAss Bitch]

See, and that's all understandable from your point of view, but to call them "washed up" is rude. It would be different if his band was actually any better, let alone a big success…but it's nowhere near that, and probably never will be either.

[ReelBigCohen]

Personally I don't want them to get famous. If they do I'm sure they change something that we all love. You have to appeal to the masses. Sure I would be so exciting to see Reel Big Fish on the national stage but they wont be the same. But nothing to worry… they aint gonna get famous lol

[Desensitized]

I never called them washed up. They'd have to be terrible live for that to happen. And even if they constantly play the same shit, they still play it well.

They also don't need to be famous. And being that they play ska, that will obviously never happen.

[Sonic Libido]

[quote1247439657=madamadam]
If I was that guy I'd call Aaron's bluff and ask for 241.
[/quote1247439657]

hahaha, or "Spin The Globe"

I would have asked for Skatanic

[SurvaySaysKeys]

i would have asked for Average Man. that'd be crazy

[Sonic Libido]

AAron would probably have said "Sorry, that's a Littlest Man Band Song"

[Sonic Libido]

[quote1247460482=The Wind]
Chances of more than three band members actually knowing how to play that song? Hell, more than two, since somebody probably forgot.

They were going to play Sell Out at that time, anyway. They're just being cute.
[/quote1247460482]

no, I really think they would have played his request, since at first (since he didn't know any RBF songs he said "I'm hearing 'blood diamond?'" and Aaron took the mic back and said "I didn't mean any song ever, I meant any Reel Big Fish song" and gave the mic back to the guy.

[Sonic Libido]

you can catch the beginning of the incident at the end of this video

[Desensitized]

Why the hell would you ask for the hit? It's obvious the band is going to play it, anyway.

Me, I would've asked for What Are Friends For, then when Aaron said no, I would've asked for Peter Bones, then Superhero #5, then Spin The Globe before he got sick of me and moved on to someone else.

:p

[Reel Big Chris]

I'd still ask for Jig. 😀 Just to see Aaron's reaction.

[SurvaySaysKeys]

[quote1247493144=Sonic Libido]
AAron would probably have said "Sorry, that's a Littlest Man Band Song"
[/quote1247493144]

really? even though its a RBF b-side?

[Samu]

I'd ask for Drunk Again.

Or, getting back to earth, Cannibal.

[Sonic Libido]

or… next big thing?

[jrock241]

Or you could really confuse them by asking for a song like 'High Chair' or 'Seattle Song'.

[The Wind]

PLAY KNOCK ON WOOD!

[jrock241]

I'd rather hear an idiot ask for that, instead of Beer or Sell Out which of course they'll play anyways.

[Sonic Libido]

yeah, except if someone had done that in boston there would have been a police report

[Jeanie]

When I know I'm going to a show, I purposely don't listen to the CD's for a while before. That way, when I get to the show, I'm excited to hear the music again! !lol

[The Wind]

I do that.

It's actually against the law to listen to the music you are about to see on the way to the show.

[CannonBall]

[quote1247624694=BanTheTubeSocks]
[quote1247319583=CannonBall]
[quote1247300618=BanTheTubeSocks]
I've seen them play "241" with just one trombone back in 2005.

Also, set list from last night (the order in the middle is a little muddled):

Take on Me
New Version of You
The Fire
Somebody Hates Me
Ban The Tube Top
Everything Sucks
Veronica Sawyer
She Has A Girlfriend Now
The Kids Don't Like It
Snoop Dog, Baby
Brown Eyed Girl
I'm Her Man
Good Thing
Your Guts
You Don't Know
Nothin' But A Good Time
Where Have You Been?
Beer
—
Another F.U. Song
Rock You Like A Hurricane/Enter Sandman/Sell Out

[/quote1247300618]

So is this like the Offical DVD tour where they play the exact set from the DVD? How is the new bass player on tour? Man, I don't even care enough about this band anymore to learn the new members names.

It's not that I intentionally don't like them anymore, they just totally fucking let me down big time. Total disappointment, fuck you RBF!!! They should have broken up before they became washed up.

[/quote1247319583]

Derek was good. He actually did a pretty neat bass solo during "You Don't Know."

As far as the disappointment, it's possible you've grown out of the band, or you're not satisfied with what they play live, but the negativity on this board is a little extreme. Reel Big Fish is not exactly the Dave Matthews Band as far as varying what they play or how they play it, but I've seen bands who will go out on a tour and literally play the exact same songs in the exact same order every night. RBF doesn't do that, and they're also so much fun, it's ridiculous–look around the crowd at all those smiling faces! It's great.

This isn't to argue, because your opinion is as relevant as mine or anyone else's–after all, we're just talking about whether or not we like a band's show–but there's no need to call them washed up or ask for them to retire just because you're not thrilled with their current set. I know what it's like to feel personally let down by a band–I used to feel that way sometimes when I was younger, particularly with Weezer–but now it's much easier to appreciate bands for their individual talents and what they have to offer instead of lamenting what they don't do. Reel Big Fish's eventual retirement will be a big loss for ska music, and I, for one, enjoy seeing them every summer.

[/quote1247624694]

Yeah I have grown out of RBF and I'm not happy about it. I think they have potentially one of the best line ups they have ever had right now, but they aren't doing anything new with it. It's obvious Aaron still let's nobody else have any control over the song writing. After 7 or 8 albums you'd think he'd open up at least to Scott having more input. That is my biggest gripe with RBF, they need to let scott write some of the songs. They honestly just sound like a bunch of people trying to sound like RBF. They don't have that RBF sound anymore, their horns have lost their power despite the fact that they now have 3 of the best horn players they've ever had.

I dunno, I just think Aaron is too stuck up to and drained on creativity to take this band any further. I'm pretty sure that every new album that comes out will just be the same shit over and over.

I'm really excited about all the music that Scott is writing though. If Aaron would just collaborate more with Scott I think we would get some of the best RBF ever. But that will never happen…

[Sonic Libido]

you really seem to hate Aaron… it's kinda weird… You also seem rather opinionated and confident in the idea you know how to run a band you've never been in.

I really don't want to get into this argument again.. but since what's said on this board is apparently monitored by the subject, I simply offer that you ease up with the master plans… I mean, I'd imagine you'd be at least a little peeved if someone walked up to you and told you how you should be creating your art…. if Aaron & Scott feel like collaborating, they will… but songs are a very tricky thing… you can't force them… especially if you write the way Aaron and Scott do.

[The Wind]

[quote1247653668=Sonic Libido]
I really don't want to get into this argument again.. but since what's said on this board is apparently monitored by the subject, I simply WANT TO LICK AARON BARRETT'S BALLSACK
[/quote1247653668]

[jrock241]

Sonic Libido, listen man – If CannonBall likes certain songs from RBF and sees that the writing credits of those particular songs are a group effort or included Scott in some way, and the songs he doesn't like are written by Aaron only – then he can hope for new songs to be collaborations or group efforts. He's not trying to run the band, he just wants some variety.

[Sonic Libido]

[quote1247690960=jrock241]
he just wants some variety.
[/quote1247690960]

sounds more like he just wants things done his way.

[LyinAss Bitch]

That's why he should just stick to his own band…maybe try making his own shit successful, before he tries critiquing one that's already successful. In fact your instrumentals ironically sound almost like a rip off from RBF. Where's your creativity? Why don't you have more songs, more albums?

[jrock241]

[quote1247691638=Sonic Libido]
[quote1247690960=jrock241]
he just wants some variety.
[/quote1247690960]

sounds more like he just wants things done his way.
[/quote1247691638]

Dude, I'm not going to go on and for many pages with you. He has a valid opinion that is backed up by facts. Scott is a good song writer and so is Dan Regan. They both have proved that they can write very well in and out of RBF. If he enjoys and wants more songs they colab/write as a group, then so be it. As for "his way"; that is what he thinks would work best based on the fact that it worked very well before, the old "RBF way".

[LyinAss Bitch]

They aren't facts though. They're just opinions.

[jrock241]

[quote1247692970=LyinAss Bitch]
They aren't facts though. They're just opinions.
[/quote1247692970]

(shhh, I'm trying to win an internet argument here) ANYWAYS, Scott has had writer's credit on many of the songs that people see as RBF staples, including their biggest radio hit Sell Out. To me, that means he is a good song writer. He's had a radio hit, and other radio released singles, a fact that can't be denied.

EDIT!!!- Thank you Trevor for pointing out [in the post below] that Scott wrote the horn line to The Setup, it completely slipped my mind. Great example of Scott making things better.

[The Wind]

The horn line to The Setup! THE HORN LINE TO THE SETUP!

[BanTheTubeSocks]

There's nothing wrong with having a point of view, but the personal vendetta is a little much (the cursing, the saying "they let me down," etc.) And in my personal opinion, even though Scott is indeed a good songwriter, Aaron's songs (the ones he's the primary writer on) work better for this band. "Drunk Again" and "Average Man" are great, but a whole album like that just wouldn't be Reel Big Fish.

And also, the assertion that they're playing the same thing every night is silly. About half their set usually stays the same, but if you were a kid who went to see the band for the first time you'd want to hear "Sell Out," "Beer," "Take on Me," and "She Has a Girlfriend Now," too–that's why the crowd is always yelling for them!

[jrock241]

I doubt many people here are saying they want a full cd of Scott's stuff like Drunk Again. We want that extra element that other members add that make the song better. Like Trevor pointed out "The Set Up" hornline was genius. But Drunk Again or Dan's Cannibal are nice additions though, in small doses.

I think what Cannonball was saying is that from an outsider point of view it looks like Scott and Dan have to make a seperate band [LMB & BC] to write music, while Aaron doesn't use a side project to be in charge of all the writing. RBF used to be a group project but has changed over the past few albums, there is nothing wrong with wanting a return to the classic RBF.

If you read the other threads, you'll see that RBF has started to change up their setlist and are including more songs that we the board find exciting. We're not saying they need to drop other well know songs, but to dust off a few over looked songs. So far it looks like they have been doing just that while the lesser fans can still enjoy the usuals.

[Desensitized]

SHAGFN wasn't even a hit, why would the kids be screaming for it? I mean, I can see Beer or Sellout, but SHAGFN? There's no reason that needs to make every setlist the band ever plays.

And unlike SR, they do it the exact same way every time. At least WHYB, SR, and Beer have a chance of being done differently.

Also, I could hear the Set Up at every show they play. Since it's not a novelty song, it doesn't old as fast.

For all we know, they could swap SHAGFN with A Little Doubt and the crowd might not even notice.

[ReelBigCohen]

I win!

"i am sod to say that the possibility of me singing lead on any more RBF tunes is not a good one. being as that neither of those songs ever gets played live, i have found that it is better for me to find another out let for my music. RBF has become more of aaron's band. so i must venture else where. not a personal thing. just the way it is.

thanks once again for taking the time to ask your questions. i hope that i have answered them to your satisfaction."

scott

[jrock241]

What? That's not a good sign. I know he makes it seem like it's nothing, but that is something. If Scott, a member of RBF, wants to play a song released on an RBF cd, at an RBF show, one member of RBF shouldn't be able to stop him. Maybe Aaron needs an intervention about his ego, because that right there is just as bad, if not worse than what Billy Corgan does.

Can you tells us where [what site you communicated through] you got that message from, what was the question asked, and when you recieved the reply?

But no, you don't win, none of us do after hearing that. 🙁

[Desensitized]

Wow, I am so lucky to have heard Drunk Again live that one time. It doesn't look like I'll ever see it again. :/

Really, I don't know why it would hurt to give Scott two songs, if anything it just means Aaron has to write less songs. 😀

[jrock241]

I also had seen Drunk Again live one time. On the ride home some people who were with us [they were 'casual fans'] asked "why did the singer look mad when they did the keyboard song?", I remember trying to explain that Aaron had a bit of an ego and was eluding to that fact. I thought at the time it was just his schtick, but now I'm guessing he was serious.

[Sonic Libido]

the scott quote is from his solo project site.

[Samu]

I love Scott and everything, but I don't think it's a good idea to put a quote that explicit in a place where everybody can see it.

Anyway, I'd like to see some Barrett/Klopfenstein/Regan writing on the next album booklet.

[The Wind]

I remember when they toured with a band that had a keyboard.

For some reason, the way I remember it is they played Average Man, but that probably didn't happen.

[Reel Big Chris]

Man, that sucks that there will probably never be any new Scott material. 🙁 I'm starting to lose faith here…

[CannonBall]

[quote1247913026=Reel Big Chris]
Man, that sucks that there will probably never be any new Scott material. 🙁 I'm starting to lose faith here…
[/quote1247913026]

That's all I needed to hear. I've officially lost all hope for a good album.

I looked around the forum on Scott's site, here's a reply to someone who was asking about Aaron writing songs with the Scholars.

"for starters Aaron didn't write any of the Scholars stuff. the songs that you mentioned we Jesse's songs. I might have written horn lines for Answering Machine, but i can't be certain. Jesse and i did sit and work things out at times, but those tunes are his. he is a very talented man."

http://scottklopfenstein.ning.com/forum/topics/some-questions?page=1&commentId=2580390%3AComment%3A1745&x=1#2580390Comment1745

I'm over Aaron's band, but I'm excited to hear what Scott has planned. So I'll stop posting in any of the forums here that are specific to RBF.

And for those of you who don't think I know what I'm talking about. I was very much like Aaron in my band, he influenced me so obviously I was like him. Looking back on it now, I really regret not letting my other band members have more influence. If I can see that why can't Aaron?

[Sonic Libido]

boo fucking hoo,

ring up Aaron's shrink and go in for a visit, I'm sure some real healing would go down.

your not going to save Aaron from Aaron. is it a bit of a shame that he's a bit of a control freak? sure. is it a reason to abandon the group completely? fuck no. most artists are like that… and Aaron started RBF to get HIS music out there and since has written 97% of the songs, so I'm completely okay with him not being into a colab.. they're his songs from his band… that's just how he does it…

scott has his site and Aaron has RBF. scott makes a living contributing to the live shows, playing on the RBF records and helping out here and there and as a result, he has accumulated the funds to create his own music his way… They've got a good thing goin'…

[CannonBall]

they are 97% Aarons songs because he won't let anyone else have input.

If I was in RBF I would be pissed if I couldn't add my thoughts to a song. Nothing good comes from being selfish, or did you miss that in preschool?

[The Wind]

It's really lame to quote RBF songs in an argument.

It's so lame, djcheddar did it.

[Sonic Libido]

[quote1247978042=CannonBall]
they are 97% Aarons songs because he won't let anyone else have input.

If I was in RBF I would be pissed if I couldn't add my thoughts to a song. Nothing good comes from being selfish, or did you miss that in preschool?

[/quote1247978042]

does it suck for the rest of the band? yeah, but Aaron started the band so he could share his songs, if he doesn't want to collaborate he shouldn't have toif the rest of the guys are okay with it, I am. is it the way I run my band? no. do I have any right to judge Aaron's creative process because of that? certainly not.

some bands are free-flowing collaboration-friendly creative cesspools. RBF has pretty much always been [i]The Aaron Barrett Show[/i]. and I'm okay with it because I like his music… if he wants it to stay that way it's foolish to bitch about how he won't let Scott or Dan participate.

[CannonBall]

[quote1247981572=Sonic Libido]do I have any right to judge Aaron's creative process because of that? certainly not.
[/quote1247981572]

Well that's because he doesn't have a creative process anymore… Duh.

It doesn't matter anymore, like I said I'm done with them. It's hopeless now, there is no chance that Aaron will all of a sudden get good at writing songs again since there is nobody that can put him in check and tell him what he's writing isn't good enough for the RBF name to carry. RBF was one of the biggest 3rd wave Ska bands, they have the ability to still hold that record, but they are too much to handle just for Aaron Barrett.

Aaron does a good job producing other bands, but like I've said before RBF is too big for him to handle. Listen to WDTRSH and listen to how much is going on in those songs, listen to all the transitions and how perfectly they flow.

[The Wind]

[quote1247994432=Sonic Libido]
[quote1247978042=CannonBall]
they are 97% Aarons songs because he won't let anyone else have input.

If I was in RBF I would be pissed if I couldn't add my thoughts to a song. Nothing good comes from being selfish, or did you miss that in preschool?

[/quote1247978042]
RBF has pretty much always been [i]The Aaron Barrett Show[/i].
[/quote1247994432]

That's wrong. Check out the liner notes of the CDs. On TTRO, he is the sole writer of four tracks. On Monkeys, he's got two tracks that he wrote with someone else, and one of them was Captain Morgan. Even on We're Not Happy… only about half the songs he did by himself. Cheer Up! credits the entire band for every song.

[Sonic Libido]

but the extent of work the other players did on said songs is minimal. for instance, scott's work on "Sell Out" was merely the ending horn part and he got second credit for the song.

the only song I know of that wasn't nearly completely an AB creation is "the legend…"

[The Wind]

Minimal or not, you actually don't know, songs probably turned out better because of it. Again, see The Setup.

[Desensitized]

Does this have anything to do with FOE being better than Monkeys in every way?

[The Wind]

I don't know what your point is.

Songwriting credits go to "The Forces of Evil", but that's probably all Aaron.

An anomaly?

[CannonBall]

[quote1248027586=Sonic Libido]
the only song I know of that wasn't nearly completely an AB creation is "the legend…"
[/quote1248027586]

And isn't that song AMAZING?

Listen, I don't want all the songs to sound like that, and I don't want all the songs to be written by other people, I'm not writing the Bible here so you don't have to literally interpret what I'm saying. I just want to hear music that was written by the whole band. Aaron can write the entire song from start to finish, but it would be nice if he said "ok guys, here's the basic frame work of the song, what do you guys think we could do to make it even better? Scott, I think this would be a perfect song for you to sing, want to have a go at it?"

That's all I want?

[The Wind]

[quote1248028778=CannonBall]
[quote1248027586=Sonic Libido]
the only song I know of that wasn't nearly completely an AB creation is "the legend…"
[/quote1248027586]
Scott, I think this would be a perfect song for you to sing, want to have a go at it?"
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^LOL

[Sonic Libido]

i don't have the time to blog at the moment and want to answer your question so i will make it brief. as time has gone by aaron has taken the rains of the band and calls most of the shots as far as most things RBF go. being that this was his band from the get-go i have no problem with that. and i have always done my best to support him as a band mate and friend. that even means when we don't see eye to eye on things.

i look at it this way. you get out of life what you put into it. if i want to se my own dreams manifest in front of my own eyes, i need to help someone else to see theirs become a reality. if aaron wants help from me, he asks. and when he doesn't, he doesn't. i have always felt that it is an honor and privilege to be a part of this band. i could not be who i am today with out it. and as much a part of this band as i have become, it is still aaron's band.

this is why i have my own projects. these things allow me to explore and grow in the areas that i want to. and i get to bring those things to RBF where it is appropriate. as long as i am respecting aaron's music.

that is really what it comes down to. an artist is really only looking for some one to respect there work. especially when it takes a group of people to make it. it is nice when the individuals that you have chosen to help you bring their special view and gifts to the work, but if there contribution begins to take things in a direction that you are not comfortable with it can begin to tamper with the experience.

sometimes these new directions are things that need to be explored and the artist needs to be open to. but there comes a point where you find that you are compromising to much of you vision that can ruin the art for the artist mare than usual (most artist that i know are unhappy with what they have done to a degree anyhow).

i hope that answers your question. and when there will be a new RBF record, who knows. we are always talking about making one. but like i said, that is an aaron call. i will find out about it when they call me to fly out to California to record it. or i get the demos to practice to at home before i go out west to do my parts.

scott

…

[The Wind]

Total roffles, he doesn't even practice with them anymore.

[Desensitized]

[quote1248064991=The Wind]
Total roffles, he doesn't even practice with them anymore.
[/quote1248064991]Yeah, that really rubbed me wrong.

[quote1248064996=The Wind]
I don't know what your point is.

Songwriting credits go to "The Forces of Evil", but that's probably all Aaron.

An anomaly?
[/quote1248064996]More that, if Aaron wrote that all on his own and could put out RBF material of that caliber, then I wouldn't really care if he wrote all RBF material alone. There was a lot of passion on FOE, more than any RBF record, and it sounds better than half their studio albums.

However, Cheer Up and FOE were two brilliant sides of a very interesting part of RBF's career. I'm not sure if that lightning will ever strike twice. If Aaron is treating it more as a job than expression, than I'm not sure if I'm interested in what he has to say.

I'd rather hear what Dan, Scott, Derek, Rabbit, or Johnny has to say in that case. And it would be nice if they weren't prevented from doing that in "Aaron's" band.

By the way, this is exactly why Fishbone fell apart.

[jrock241]

as time has gone by aaron has taken the rains of the band and calls most of the shots as far as most things RBF go. being that this was his band from the get-go

"As time has gone on", which means that this has been a progressive action taken by Aaron – so it hasn't been like this since the begining. Also, Scott hasn't been in the band since the begining, so what he is saying is hearsay.

[CannonBall]

[quote1248071054=Sonic Libido]

i don't have the time to blog at the moment and want to answer your question so i will make it brief. as time has gone by aaron has taken the rains of the band and calls most of the shots as far as most things RBF go. being that this was his band from the get-go i have no problem with that. and i have always done my best to support him as a band mate and friend. that even means when we don't see eye to eye on things.

i look at it this way. you get out of life what you put into it. if i want to se my own dreams manifest in front of my own eyes, i need to help someone else to see theirs become a reality. if aaron wants help from me, he asks. and when he doesn't, he doesn't. i have always felt that it is an honor and privilege to be a part of this band. i could not be who i am today with out it. and as much a part of this band as i have become, it is still aaron's band.

this is why i have my own projects. these things allow me to explore and grow in the areas that i want to. and i get to bring those things to RBF where it is appropriate. as long as i am respecting aaron's music.

that is really what it comes down to. an artist is really only looking for some one to respect there work. especially when it takes a group of people to make it. it is nice when the individuals that you have chosen to help you bring their special view and gifts to the work, but if there contribution begins to take things in a direction that you are not comfortable with it can begin to tamper with the experience.

sometimes these new directions are things that need to be explored and the artist needs to be open to. but there comes a point where you find that you are compromising to much of you vision that can ruin the art for the artist mare than usual (most artist that i know are unhappy with what they have done to a degree anyhow).

i hope that answers your question. and when there will be a new RBF record, who knows. we are always talking about making one. but like i said, that is an aaron call. i will find out about it when they call me to fly out to California to record it. or i get the demos to practice to at home before i go out west to do my parts.

scott

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[/quote1248071054]

I totally understand that, but I still stand behind what I said. Scott making that comment totally validates everything I explained. I just don't agree with it and I wish Aaron would open up more often.

I don't like when people have ideas that don't go with my vision of a song. I have everything kind of thought out in my head and then something new throws it off whack. BUT the songs that I let other people help write have been the better songs and I like them a lot more when I look back on everything I've written.

[airmancoop44]

The show I went to on the 10th had what I thought was a pretty varied and different setlist. I forget what they played, but some of the selections were first times for me and and surprising choices. When Aaron asked a girl to request a song, she picked Valerie and they played it well.

[ReelBigCohen]

In other news, I get to see them tonight and I'm so fucking excited!!! Which me luck. I'm about to have a hurt ass.

[Desensitized]

Someone requested Valerie? Sweet.

Request something good, Cohen!

[madamadam]

After reading through this thread, I wanna see what happens when someone requests Drunk Again.

I hope I get a chance to…

[The Wind]

Aaron would say it's not an RBF song.

[Sonic Libido]

yeah, that's what he does in interviews

[Desensitized]

Neither is 'Take On Me', and they still play that every show.

[The Wind]

I think that would halt him speechless.

Or he'd just start to play Take On Me.

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