About RBF's current status…

lol

Just kidding. I just listened to Monkeys yesterday after… half a year? More? Man, those new songs are shit. Except the "_____ Down" songs.

I know what you're saying, though I've never been one to disagree with you on the subject. They did right with the Chimps, which is too bad because those songs were written in 1995, except the two that weren't.

Since we haven't heard a newly written song from them in over two years, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt until then. They could still retain their experimental, but most recently they only have about 10% of it (Talk Dirty to Me, dur).

As a side, I thought MxPx's Panic was awesome, if that's what you're referring to.

do you think the cover album and the shit dvd and the split cover ep may be filler because they are saving the real songs written over the last 2 years so we can have something as good as white trash?

btw, i think he is refering to before everything and after because panic was a return to form and secret weapon was pretty good too. i met mike herrera earlier in the year. such a nice guy

As an indication of the state of affairs regarding RBF: The recent live album is the first RBF new-release that I haven't bought – or planned to buy eventually – since I became a fan.
I even paid for the iTunes version of FeedtheFuckinFans.

On the bright side; your pseudonym's taken on a whole new level of relevance.

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I just thought I'd make my whole position clear for those of you who think I've either grown out of the band and should stop bitching, or think I'm holding the band up to a standard they can never live up to. Which is probably like two or three of you. :p Anyway, I'm going to try to generalize this because I don't think I'm the only one here who feels this way, and I think this needs to be written down in a single place for easy reading. (lol 2 serious)

I'll start with a story. About 8 years or so ago (wow), I stumbled upon a random message board poll comparing two 'similar style' bands at some random punk board that's probably gone now. I stumbled across a post comparing Less Than Jake to Reel Big Fish, a band I had never heard of. Since I enjoyed Less Than Jake a lot (a similar band who has gone through some troubles of it's own before becoming it's own thing) I figured I would check this band out. I downloaded the first half of TTRO (Kazaa sucked) and was blown away. The energy, the enthusiasm, the sharp songwriting, and the fact it didn't take itself seriously was enough for me to declare a new favorite band… Until I got the album and thought the second half was a bit weak. But I liked it enough to seek out other stuff by this band. I finally found a copy of Why Do They Rock So Hard? for a decent price (for years, White trash was almost double the price of their other albums in Canada… No idea why) and was… Underwhelmed. But oddly enough, as the weeks went by this album seeped it's way into my subconscious and found it's way into my regular CD pile (I carried my CDs in my schoolbag for easy listening back then) and eventually became a favorite.

Why Do They Rock So Hard? has stood the test of time rather well for me, too. The creative songwriting was more subdued, more intricate. While the lyrics were not "Pinkerton", they were more impressive (well, other than the pre-TTRO songs) and a bit more descriptive and… Well, yeah, less juvenile. Peter Bones is not something you get from your average ska band, Somebody Hates Me combines ska, arena rock, punk, and rock in a way I'd never heard before, and the Kids Don't Like It… Well, I never would have imagined that from the band that made TTRO, as odd as it sounds. The album was great, anyone who listened to it more than once knew it. It has since been looked back on as something better than it was when it was released as 1998 was not a great year for music, let alone music with horns in it.

Shortly after, Cheer Up! came out and I was… Wow. I was blown away. I grew up on classic rock and 90s alternative rock, and this album made the summer for me. It had songs of almost every genre, it was bright and loud, and the lyrics… Were great! RBF downplayed the sarcasm overload that was getting tiring by just coming out and saying what they meant, and it was just so refreshing. The only problem was the way the album felt like it had very little care put into it other than the songwriting and technical aspects. The tracklist was thrown together, the album was promoted little if at all, and the fans hated that there just wasn't enough ska. Aaron was getting sick of the record label and released Friend Or Foe, which is basically a 'lost' RBF album and pretty much the flipside to Cheer Up and is pretty much a much better (IMO, IMO, IMO, IMO) TTRO.

At this point, my RBF love was in full swing. I joined the official message board, interacted with some cool cats, and discussed my love for this band. From this band I got 3 great albums, and a pretty good one (TTRO)… At the time, my bands were RBF, LTJ, Green Day, Goldfinger, and I think The Strokes were just being discovered… I think you see where this is going.

RBF released We're Not Happy 'Til You're Not Happy, and instead of the negative reaction Cheer Up! got, this was rather positive. Fans crawled all over ska songs like 'The Fire', 'Drinkin'', 'Talkin Bout A Revolution' (one poster called it RBF's best moment production-wise), and decried covers like 'Story Of My Life' (Matt Wixson called Mike Ness a horrible songwriter… Something I will never forget) and experimental efforts like 'The Joke's On Me' left fans scratching their heads, (it was regularly voted the worst RBF song) and the production was… Well, the reaction was split at the time. (Though Hunter jokingly told Aaron it reminded him of Pinkerton by Weezer)

This was the point I knew there was trouble. LTJ released Borders & Boundaries and then Anthem, Goldfinger released Open Your Eyes, and I was scared RBF was going down the same path. The ska songs to me, were very uninspired. They all broached the same subjects, and sounded awful. The experimental stuff was just weird to me. The album I wanted to like, became a total disappointment, it felt like the band was scared of something. Unlike Goldfinger who lost two original members and became John Feldman's platform for whatever he wanted to whine about that week and chastise everyone who disagreed with him (By the way, Goldfinger's new stuff is about 80% more juvenile then their early work… And for a band who wrote a song about Chicken McNuggets, that's really fucking sad) and sounded like that bland pop punk band Mest, LTJ were losing their identity, Green Day vanished off the planet, and MxPx momentarily forgot how to write songs. It felt like all the bands I liked were losing it.

But RBF still managed to hold on. Half the songs on Why Not? began to grown on me, and I could still hear the RBF I liked in them, and I began to understand stuff like 'The Joke's On Me' and wanting more of it.

Then came the live album after the label split. Holy fuck, RBF figured out how to produce their own shit! It was the start of a new era! RBF were on their own, kicking ass and taking names! The album was a success, people loved it, CRITICS loved it, and the band loved it. Things were starting off great. Then a series of events occurred (might not be in this order)

Then came the album announcement: Oh I can't wait to hear the band go further into power pop and new wave!

Cannibal leaked: FUCK YES! RBF is the shit! THIS is the right way to go!

Cover came out: What. Okay, the cover sucks, no big deal. (Then came the fan who actually petition RBF to changed the cover… lol)

Old song remakes revealed: Sweet! RBF giving justice to the classics!

Album comes out, no preorders: Fuck, I want this album! C'mon CCNow, where's my shit?

Song remakes are posted so the preorder fans can hear them: HOLY MAN, THIS IS BALL TICKLING DELIGHT! Perfect sound, great songs, this is the RBF I wanted!

No preorder: C'mon, where's my preorder!

Party Down is a single: Wow, this is different… Kinda thrown together and a bit forgettable, though.

Fans initial album reaction: It's a return to form! SKA, SKA, SKA! (These fans never request the songs at shows though… Though it's easy to see why.)

My initial reaction: … There are no songs here. Other than Slow Down, these are all meat and potatoes garage band ska punk songs. RBF haven't been a ska punk band since TTRO! Where's the experimentation, the instrumentals, the power pop, the crazy humor instead of this boring generic frat ska humor?

No preorder: What the hell, CCNow?

Months pass, the boards die and get infested with spam, RBF's site goes down the shitter, and still no preorder.

After a bit of time to stew with the massive disappointment of Monkeys, and relistening to all the other RBF albums, I was upset. The band that was so wild and crazy, and never forgot to write a hook, forgot everything that made them what they were. They sounded like an RBF cover band. How did the band that made WDTRSH? go from such a powerful sounding record, to this garage crap?

(Hey look, I finally got my preorder after a year of waiting!)

After this, I was 'treated' with a cover album with all the problems I mentioned in Monkeys and a live DVD that was like a slap in the face to my excitement and memories of receiving the first live DVD/CD. And I just had it. For me, and I'd assume a few others, we get the feeling that the band just doesn't care anymore. And yeah, that might be selfish of us, since we don't know what the band is thinking, but it sometimes feels like the band doesn't know what we're thinking. So that's why I'm putting this out there. Now they know why we expect so much from them, and why we don't like to settle for less than what we know they're capable of. We don't want ska songs, we're not the ones yelling for Beer at live shows, we're not asking for a return to the 'glory days', we don't want you to stop playing Sellout at shows, and yet we're still listening to your records, some of us for ten years passed the date they were made. We're not looking for sarcastic lyrics, we're not looking for more ska music, and we're not looking for songs to sing along to. We're looking for the band who went in the studio and recorded Cannibal, despite not knowing what would happen if this song was released. Quality and sound of the song aside, that's the band I want to hear.

tl;dr – Play Peter Bones the next time you come to Montreal.
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Thank you for putting in the time to write this, I feel the exact same way but didn't feel like wasting my time writing this for people who don't care about what I have to say.

It just sucks plain and simple. I owe my obsession with music to RBF. I owe my musicianship to RBF. But now that I've expanded my musical interests I don't have a place for RBF anymore. I have no interest in listening to anything post Cheer Up! other than a few songs like Cannibal and Slow Down.

I also feel like RBF sounds like a RBF cover band. I like some of my old bands crappy songs more than I like the new RBF songs and that's pretty lame.

I'll wait for their next real album.

The covers album sucked but I never considered them a band that should do a covers-only album. Duet All Night Long was more than enough covers and was a good album…all the covers I'd want out of them speaking from the sense of doing such an album.

I'm just waiting for the new album whenever that comes out…or has it already? I haven't really been paying attention, to be honest.

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You know what, I think I'll just say it.

I don't think RBF works as a ska band anymore. Ever since I heard White Trash, it just felt like the band was no longer a major player in the genre anymore. Sure they can still write ska songs (Slow Down is one of the band's best pieces), but they can't make it their livelihood anymore. As a band their style has evolved since TTRO and was pretty much bookended with FOF, they'll never make a pure ska album as good as those again.

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It seems as though they are more into pirates than they are rock and roll. Aarons screen name used to be BigRockUSA. Where has that rock and roll desire gone? I think white trash was a really great rock and roll album. For the longest time I didn't like Cheer Up! but right now I think it is one of their best albums.

The thing is there is only so much you can do as a ska band. I had a shit load of fun playing in my band, we wrote a pretty decent album, and we probably could have written a second album that would have been a little more diverse. But after 2 ska albums what else can you do with it?

I just think they have more potential than ska.

I really liked Monkeys when it came out, but now I don't really like most of it. I'll let it slide though because it was their first album without a label and I know that they wanted to give everyone a ska album. I just think they are trying too hard to please their general fan base when they should be trying to further themselves as a band that plays fucking awesome songs.

Like I said before, What Are Friends For sounds a lot like Chicago, Chicago was not a ska band and they still managed to kick some fucking ass… at least until the singer said "it's ok, the gun's not loaded".

It's not like we're saying this because we hate RBF now, it's like an intervention with someone who drinks too much, we just want to help get you back on track.

Solution:
More Scott (even if it's just singing)
A producer
The band needs to spend two months locked in a cave writing songs together.
More songs like Average Man, Cannibal, What are friends for, The Setup, Gigantic, There is Nothing like a dame.

just try to do something new.

I think that Story of my Life and Talkin' 'bout a Revolution is how they should keep doing whatever covers they'll end up doing: creatively. Liberty is taken and they don't sound like a sped-up, dumbed down version of the original song.

I can't honestly say that the majority of the songs on that album are poorly written. Your Guts has a structure problem. The Morrisey cover is boring. Awesome is much better live when it's more obvious the song is completely tongue-in-cheek. Drinkin' and Don't Start a Band are good enough for the basic skapunk songs on the album.

It comes down to the horns sounding like shit.

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Well, the producer thing, can go either way. Like I said, the 'chimps' songs on Monkeys sounded excellent. Cannibal's production was perfect. It was just on the boring other songs where it wore out it's weak sound.

They might not need a producer, but they need the fire that went into those songs, and not whatever they were doing when they did the first half. Although Bang!, Slow Down, and to a lesser extent Party Down sounded almost as good.

The sound on those songs sound like an extension on the Cheer Up sound, big, bright, loud, and driving. So I really hope that's the direction they choose to go down on the next album.

I still think the ska songs on Cheer Up are the best they've written in that style, and they don't sound very conventional at all, outside of maybe the chorus to Suckers. The ska songs on Why Not? were very boring in comparison outside of Last Show (I don't care what others think, I love the disco feel it has) which is probably why I think the album was held back so much. Outside of the Bad Guy, which I think has a big bright sound and could have fit on White Trash, the songs sounded too 'stock' and tired. It feels like they made them only because they thought they needed ska songs on the album. (Don't get me started on 'Your Guts', not bad live, but man is this song dull as fuck) It was songs like The Joke's On Me, One Hit Wonderful, Say Goodbye, Last Show, Don't Start A Band, and Way Back (Would have been a much better closer than 'Your Guts'… Not sure why it was a b-side, though) are what keep me coming back. The other boring songs are what drive me away from putting on the album.

But I hope we get more of those fresh ideas and not more songs that are written because they 'needed ska songs'…
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Yeah, but if they had a producer that Aaron hated, THAT would burn the fire under his ass to write some good songs just to spite the producer.

Honestly I really have no idea what happened to them. The songs that Aaron produced on Cheer Up! sound really good. Why Not actually has a lot of really good songs that are written in a very detailed way. AWESOME has some very cool parts and transitions in it and so do a lot of the other songs. The problem is that the way the album was recorded doesn't fit the songs. I know Aaron liked the way old reggae songs were recorded, but the songs on that album aren't reggae so it doesn't work.

Just let me Co-Produce the next album and everything will be great.

On a side not it could be the current lineup that is leading to the generic sound. I know that sounds weird because I think this is one of the most talented lineups the band has ever had.

I really miss Andrew's drumming, I think him and Aaron really made up a big part of the Rock and Roll sound. Also, when I think of RBF I think of two trombones and two trumpets. Right now it's mostly trumpet and trombone, and there is nothing wrong with that, but if you listen to the horn arrangements on White Trash they really put all the horns to good use.

I'm also really scared to hear a new album without Matt Wong…

Listening to Down in Flames right now, fuck that is such a good song, listen to the horn arrangements and you'll hear what I was talking about earlier.

I still love RBF, but that love is reserved for their first 3 major label releases.

Just go for the over the top rock and roll sound with horns mixed in, everyone will love it!!!

Good post, I pretty much agree with everything you said. Didn't know you lived in Montreal/Close by. I go to school in Ottawa, so when RBF comes back to mtl i might see ya there.

Someone said Scott needs to sing more, which is true. He needs more songs where he's the lead. They also need to play Average Man live.

Might it be possible that Reel Big Fish is not making mistakes by releasing music that isn't exactly what you want, but that their goals for themselves are different from the ones you have for them?

Why assume that songs like "Bang! The Mouse Explodes" and "Cannibal" are more rewarding for the band than more conventional songs like "Live Your Dream?" Maybe they enjoy creating a mix of both. I like "Monkeys," though it's not my favorite RBF album. More importantly, though, it's silly to assert that there is a right way for the band to conduct its business. If you want to hear what a band is like with Scott at the helm, there are examples of that (LMB, solo work). If you want to hear what Reel Big Fish sounded like in 2002, listen to "Cheer Up" (which a lot of fans complained about at the time).

We're on a Reel Big Fish message board, so criticism of the band's music is a natural topic. But still, it might pay to remember that none of us have made Reel Big Fish's music in the past, nor will we do so in the future. The band created its own body of work, and it's up to them what they want to make going forward. If they don't make what you want or expect, it might not be an accident–it might just be what they want to do.

Unlikely.

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Might it be possible that Reel Big Fish is not making mistakes by releasing music that isn't exactly what you want, but that their goals for themselves are different from the ones you have for them?

Why assume that songs like "Bang! The Mouse Explodes" and "Cannibal" are more rewarding for the band than more conventional songs like "Live Your Dream?" Maybe they enjoy creating a mix of both. I like "Monkeys," though it's not my favorite RBF album. More importantly, though, it's silly to assert that there is a right way for the band to conduct its business. If you want to hear what a band is like with Scott at the helm, there are examples of that (LMB, solo work). If you want to hear what Reel Big Fish sounded like in 2002, listen to "Cheer Up" (which a lot of fans complained about at the time).

We're on a Reel Big Fish message board, so criticism of the band's music is a natural topic. But still, it might pay to remember that none of us have made Reel Big Fish's music in the past, nor will we do so in the future. The band created its own body of work, and it's up to them what they want to make going forward. If they don't make what you want or expect, it might not be an accident–it might just be what they want to do.
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I really don't want an album of Scott songs, and I've accepted he'll never get a song on an RBF album again, and my beef is isn't the fact they're back to writing ska punk songs after making strides towards different styles since White Trash came out.

It's that Monkeys was a poorly written album.

I don't want RBF to sound like they did in 2001, but I also don't want them to sound like they're in 1995 either.

Something tells me that the band that wrote songs like Peter Bones, Somebody Hates Me, The Set Up, Cheer Up, Ban The Tube Top, Suckers, Til I Hit The Ground, Say Goodbye, The Last Show, The Joke's On Me, Cannibal, and Brand New Hero would not suddenly start writing D grade level ska. Something must have happened to the band between Why Not? and Monkeys. Hell, it arguably happened after Cheer Up.

The album doesn't sound like it had any heart put into it outside of about 2 songs, and it sounded like a band going through the motions.

But hey, if they want to write songs that were worse than songs they wrote in 1995 instead of push themselves beyond it (since they can never top a style they've already mastered, they can only swim in it), then that's their prerogative.

Too many bands get afraid to keep moving forward and retreat back to safety to where their biggest success were. Those bands also play to increasingly dwindling audiences until they run out of steam and break up. Then all your left with is a bunch of idiots who say 'at least they never sold out!'

It's not 1997 anymore, and we should not be expecting another TTRO from Reel Big Fish. Hell, we shouldn't be expecting a repeat of any of their albums. We should be expecting something different. You know, basically what they gave us 4 albums in a row. They can't ever top TTRO when it comes to ska punk, so they should move past it.

Aaron is a good pop song writer. No matter how much he tries to dress it up in sarcastic lyrics, upstrokes, or distortion blasts, he can't hide it.

Monkeys is what happens when you take the pop out of TTRO.
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Dur hur hurhur hur luk wat i did!

I can copy/paste opinions! So easy!

IMO, one of the biggest things wrong in WNHTYNH/Monkeys is the horns. The horns in White Trash are amazing and have sort of a jazzy feel a lot of the time, while the horns in Monkeys are usually a basic and obvious melody. They should get another Trombone player and another full time trumpet player.

Another thing to consider is how the horn parts are written. Does anyone know if Aaron lets the horn players write there parts or if he controls that area too?

Reel Big Fish should follow Big D and the Kids Table philosophy of never writing the same album twice. They are not afraid to write an album that is completely different than anything they've every done. They write what feels right to them, and they always come through in flying colors. Reel Big Fish was always my favorite ska band, but over the past few months Big D has become my new favorite. Why Do They Rock So Hard? is still my favorite ska album, but RBF is currently not a creative band.

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I already responded to that post, you want me to copy/paste it?
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no, I simply re-posted it because I agree with it, I'm not expecting a reply.

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IMO, one of the biggest things wrong in WNHTYNH/Monkeys is the horns. The horns in White Trash are amazing and have sort of a jazzy feel a lot of the time, while the horns in Monkeys are usually a basic and obvious melody. They should get another Trombone player and another full time trumpet player.

Another thing to consider is how the horn parts are written. Does anyone know if Aaron lets the horn players write there parts or if he controls that area too?

Reel Big Fish should follow Big D and the Kids Table philosophy of never writing the same album twice. They are not afraid to write an album that is completely different than anything they've every done. They write what feels right to them, and they always come through in flying colors. Reel Big Fish was always my favorite ska band, but over the past few months Big D has become my new favorite. Why Do They Rock So Hard? is still my favorite ska album, but RBF is currently not a creative band.
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The reason the horns are so good on TTRO, WDTRSH, and Cheer Up! is because of the harmonies. The new horn parts are pretty basic in terms of dynamics.

It's really just lack of effort on the new stuff. The thing with RBF that always made them awesome was how they transitioned from section to section. Listen to all the transitions in the song Trendy, or the background horn parts in Brand New Song.

The new stuff was just rushed and they didn't have time to do full horn arrangements, just basic stuff. Scott only flew out for three days to record his parts for monkeys, so I'm sure he didn't contribute that much on the dynamics of the horns.

Those are the biggest differences I've noticed because that's the stuff I used to try and copy for my band. Strong harmonies for the horns and transitions from part to part.

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Scott only flew out for three days to record his parts for monkeys, so I'm sure he didn't contribute that much on the dynamics of the horns.
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Totally lame. His vocals are not nearly as good as they have been, too. I guess that's what you get when you make them up on the spot.

What I'm about to type is just speculation on my part, just like everybody else's posts here. We don't fully know what is going on with RBF and their day to day schedule, writing, and recording proccess. We just have to make an educated guess by reading their updates and watching the behind the scenes/ in the studio videos that they release.

So that being said; It seems to me that RBF needs time in the studio to perfect and create good, well thought out songs. And why shouldn't they, most bands do. Yes, Aaron may come up with most the ideas but you still need time to mess around and experiment with those until you've come up with the best sounding riffs and arrangements. All the cds that they spent time on were well written, except WNHTYNH which some might assume that Aaron was perhaps given too much freedom and had to focus on producing. But no, there is one thing that can [i]ruin[/i] a ska band's creativity, song writting ability, and even their career. That cancerous plague is called reggae.

Think of the bands that attempted to turn away from ska and into reggae, yeah it's not very pretty. Besides Sublime some how making it work most bands fail, quite badly. Most people think they're is just a subtle difference between the two but there is much more than that.

The only suggestion I would give is for them to spend time in a studio writting. Which I know is expensive. But I'm sure they have connections and can get a good deal. When they were on a record label they were paying for it themselves also – it was just coming out of an account of money that hadn't been made yet – The label recoup the costs later.

I know this may sound bad but… the drummer has a big influence on how the song feels. Andrew made the songs feel like they were punk [fast and loose] yet never missed a beat. Carlos had a fun poppy feel. Justin… no comment. Ryland seems a little too obsessed with being perfectly on time, which makes him sound like a robot/ drum machine. And his attempt at poppy fun just feels poppy without fun. Almost to reserved, if he was a little more sloppy and random it would feel more fun. He's too good, it actually works against him.

I also think that Matt and Andrew had more power to overturn Aaron on ideas he had. Now the band is a bunch of new people that are just stoked to be in a band as popular as RBF. They don't want to be the next Tyler, Tavis or Justin so they keep their mouth…

I agree with the Reggae thing. Reggae is so much harder to pull off than people think it is. NOFX have done a couple really cool reggae songs, but it's not something that can be pulled off by all bands.

RBF just need to be the Rock and Roll band that they always wanted to be. Maybe they just need to take a break for a few years to do other things without the pressure of trying to sound like RBF. Did that work for the Bosstones? I haven't heard any of their new stuff… did they write any new stuff? I never really liked them to begin with.

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Did that work for the Bosstones? I haven't heard any of their new stuff… did they write any new stuff? I never really liked them to begin with.
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you must lead a very sad life…

the BossToneS never took a break to "Not sound like" the BossToneS. They sound a little different on every record but with familiar elements. they continue to be fantastic. new album out next month.

How about some good rock and roll like this.

[link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YalghA3dGvIurl]Them Crooked Vultures[/link]

Awesome, I learned how to post links!!!

[quote]The URL contained a malformed video ID.[/quote]

Oh, if only you actually did.

That just sounds like Queens of the Stone Age.

I think a more reggae-ish album could turn out to be quite cool, we saw what they can do with Way Back and Talkin'. An entire album of songs in that direction and with Aaron letting his multi-genre talents peek through would be very good listening imo.

But at the end of the day, Way Back and Talkin' aren't REAL reggae at all.

I the the whole band would have to smoke a lot more weed before they could write some real reggae.

Ska bands don't usually do well with reggae for the exact reason the are good at ska. ADHD.

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But at the end of the day, Way Back and Talkin' aren't REAL reggae at all.
[/quote1253532394]Just slow ska.

Which I wouldn't mind more of if it was written as good as those two songs or Slow Down.

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Exactly. I don't really think RBF could produce a reggae sound naturally, it would just sound too forced and wouldn't suit them.

The slow melodic ska (Slow Down and Talkin') are much more suited and i'm all for more of that.

Bad Ass Rock 'N' ROll would suit them well.

The good bad ass rock and roll, or the LOL bad ass rock and roll?

Because I've definitely had enough of the lol kind.

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But at the end of the day, Way Back and Talkin' aren't REAL reggae at all.
[/quote1253532394]Just slow ska.

Which I wouldn't mind more of if it was written as good as those two songs or Slow Down.

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Exactly. I don't really think RBF could produce a reggae sound naturally, it would just sound too forced and wouldn't suit them.

The slow melodic ska (Slow Down and Talkin') are much more suited and i'm all for more of that.
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Exactly. Reggae-ISH.

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The good bad ass rock and roll, or the LOL bad ass rock and roll?

Because I've definitely had enough of the lol kind.
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Of course the good kind, Limp Bizkit style… After all, Aaron did audition to play with them.

Why did Rivers cross the road?

Because he was fucking the chicken. And the chicken was really Fred Durst.

Who the hell is Rivers anyway?

Ignore that. I'm dumb.

Slow Ska from RBF is fine. I prefer when they break down into slow ska [reggae-ish] like the song Thank You For Not Moshing, or when they pick up the pace after being slow in Song #3. But not attempting straight up reggae. I really believe that if Aaron [and the rest of RBF] hadn't gotten deep into reggae after Cheer Up [and before WNHTYNH] we could have had a ska cd that topped FOE's.

As for rock & roll – RBF had a really good sound on So Much For Rock And Roll. It was the right style. Unlike the song R&RIB'n which wasn't good, it was just filler.